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Relearning Lessons in Arguing Rationally with the Irrational

December 13, 2025 by tornado Leave a Comment

Recently in a social-media thread, I let myself get sucked into exactly the sort of seemingly unproductive “discourse” that I usually try to avoid, with a representative of the “progressive” left. As usual, it involved a lot of backtracking, goalpost-moving and several ad hominems on his part.

This occurred without my using any name-calling against him, though I did honestly question his reading comprehension after he misstated two positions I clearly had made to the contrary. Yes, I called those out. One was that Trump is my “dear leader,” though I already stated having voted against him (third party) and why. [Truly a ridiculous assertion for anyone who knows me, even superficially.] His other falsehood was to claim I don’t think racism exists, after I clearly and plainly said the opposite. It was as if, in his zeal to apply gotchas and (mis)characterize me, he forgot to actually read the words I wrote, and instead responded from spoonfed progressive talking points and emotion, instead of knowledge, reason and original thought.

To many others outside the left, and me if I must admit, that sort of reaction is no surprise, and follows a very familiar pattern. The whole time I’m laughing at the pathetic nature of his replies one minute, and in the other, asking myself why I stooped down to trying to deal rationally with a person in a patently irrational state (a lesson I learned long ago from a failed relationship with a particular woman, but apparently must relearn on smaller scales sometimes).

Still frustrating him emotionally in what should have been an argument of logic, facts and reason, I deconstructed one house of sand foundation after another. For example, after bringing up the notion I was being “unscientific” somehow, he tried to lecture me that science is about proof. No, it decidedly is not! Then when he found out my name is on over 100 scientific papers (didn’t even mention also being a longtime reviewer and journal editor), the goalpost shifted. “All of your papers have nothing to do with this issue!” So why bring up science to begin with, bud…then try to lecture a longtime scientist about it, using a completely off-base concept of “proof”?

The original comment to which I responded was about supposedly “marginalized groups” in a racial context. This is a concept I did and do dispute; it’s a mass-victimhood excuse, outdated in 2025 with every one being equal under the law, discrimination disallowed based on skin color, and amplifying racial divides accomplishes nothing but needless further division. [It also makes a lot of money for the Democratic Party and affiliated gaggles of professional race hustlers and highly paid industrial “diversity” consultants, but that’s another issue.]

Besides, race is itself an artifice. It has no mathematically analytic, consistently reproducible, biological basis, nor objective, empirically based classification standards. Speaking of positivist science! Yet extremes on right and left love to group people by skin color, equate that with race (never mind that most people are what most would call “mixed race” anyway, and that multiple “races” can have the same skin color, etc.), and completely ignore the fundamental conceptual illegitimacy of race itself.

At one point, I told him that by completely misrepresenting my points to be the opposite, he either failed to comprehend what I wrote, or was misrepresenting it on purpose — either way, a bad look, and embarrassing. “You should stop here before you bury yourself in the dirt you’re throwing straight up from the hole you’re digging ever deeper.” I tried to give this guy a chance to back out, but…on a silver platter, he then handed me the nuke needed to finish the whole thing off.

He told me, of all people, to learn understand what it’s like to be poor, and to go to the inner city and live for a week, like “they” do in “one of these communities.”

Whoa. Go to the inner city…for a whole week! Does two decades count instead?

Anyone who knows me knew this was an invitation to absolutely implode the final argument, which of course I forthrightly did, verbatim:

    That’s a good suggestion. I’ve done it. Base already covered.

    Grew up inner-city poor, amid broken families, drugs, gangbangers, alcohol abuse, violent and property crimes of every kind. I know the streets because I lived the streets. I dare say I’ve seen more poverty than you by factors of hundreds.

    I’ve seen and learned more about what we call poverty or “marginalization” in any given week of my youth than most people will in a lifetime. How long would you last on the corner of Beacon and Columbia in east Dallas during the crack wars in 1985?

    Did you know that these problems are mostly the result of bad decisions by individuals? That everyone who huffs glue, smokes crack or meth, beats up his girlfriend, abuses her child, or deals heroin, *chose* to do that? No big bad racist bogeyman made them. Especially since most poor people are white.

    No “racist system” made one kid I knew beat a teacher bloody. No “racism” caused another to steal radar detectors, or another to sell food stamps for sex, or to wrap a chain around another kid’s throat and swing him around by it, or another to sell herself on the corner of Ross and Haskell to pay for her bennies, or another to lead a street gang into a fight with Mongols bikers off east I-30 (which they won, amazingly), or another to light his pregnant girlfriend’s apartment on fire, or the woman driver on one of my school buses to accidentally shoot herself in the leg with a .22 pistol in her purse, or a dude I knew to rob a 7-11 and still be in prison for it today. Some (not all) of both the criminals and their victims here were not “people of color”. Many of the worst racists I knew against black folks were Asian. Or Mexican. Wow, can you imagine?
    Individual responsibility, bud. That applies to all those crimes, and all racist acts. That’s because they are chosen.

I suspect it was his first exposure to a conservative/libertarian, multiply published physical scientist who grew up poor in the inner city. Hah! To hell with skin color. I am diversity!

Once it became apparent that I knew a whole lot more than this person, from first-hand experience, about science, and poverty, and the inner city, he deleted all his comments. Of course. Take the checked king off that board, bud.

The wildest part of an interaction like that isn’t necessarily the disagreement, it’s watching someone tell you they understand your own lived experience better than you do. Progressives in particular have become contagiously frequent with it. Brings to mind a tweet from a guy I follow who is a multinational author, rapper, speaker and all-around great guy, and whose presentation at OU I attended (Zuby).

Tweet from Zuby

There’s this strange moment where you realize the debate stopped being about reality, and turned into their defensively clinging to a rote, spoon-fed script handed down for recitation by secular, hyper-partisan viewpoint authorities in media and academia. [And yes, it can and sometimes does happen on the right too, but far less, since media (see item 9, page 11 here) and academia as a whole tilt strong left by every polling measure, and the academic left strongly tends authoritarian.]

Independent thought be damned! And honestly, it’s actually hilarious, in a pathetic way, because what else remains but to laugh, when someone insists you try to experience the stories you’ve already experienced immersively, and known better, for longer.

I’ve plied the grounds of my childhood trying to find even a corn kernel of this mythical “privilege,” and there’s no corn there. Were I a deer trying to eat from the feeder of privilege, I’d have starved. Blessings sometimes? Yes, as my friend who made the original post (and agrees with me) rightly differentiated…but not privilege.

What is the “privelege” of poverty? Avoiding being shot by the gunfire heard at night, or only being stabbed once, or seeing a guy’s brains sprayed across a roadway? Actually having a father at home, whichever drafty, roach-infested, rundown duplex was “home” was any given year? Blessing, yes…but not “privilege.” Fatherhood is supposed to be the norm in every home.

But in the end, all else of what may seemed a curse also becomes a blessing, as it imparted valuable perspective. I’m now glad for it. No regrets. And it taught me what MLK tried to teach everyone, but it appears far too few have learned: It’s about the content of one’s character, not the color of one’s skin.

So I assess and respect the former, and treat the latter as irrelevant. Why? Because Jesus himself did. Nowhere did He say, “Pity and favor thine dark skinned people,” nor, “I love all, but I love some skin colors more than others,” nor, “Go and sin no more, except if you’re the head of a BLM organization committing embezzlement and money laundering, or looting a store in Ferguson, or wearing a white hooded sheet burning crosses, or in a Mexican gang beating up blacks or vice versa, or being a white supremacist, or a black supremacist, or sending millions of dollars overseas illegally from Minneapolis.”

No, Jesus’ ideals apply the same to everyone. I approach race as impertinent, because He made no big deal about it either.

Filed Under: Not weather Tagged With: academia, academic bias, argument, emotion, irrational, left-wing dogma, left-wing privelege, left-wing zealots, leftism, media, media bias, poverty, privelege, race, racism, rational, rationality, reason, science, social media

Scattershooting 180115

January 15, 2018 by tornado Leave a Comment

Scattershooting while wondering what happened to respect for the Constitution as it was written…

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WHAT IS THE LINE BETWEEN A TORNADO and NOT A TORNADO?: In SkyPix, I don’t just exhibit photos, I discuss stories, lessons & issues behind them. Please browse this entry on a near-tornado from 2015 near Renfrow, OK. The issues here: Is it a tornado? Where’s the line between tornado and mesocyclone? What is a tornado? Not simple…sometimes the binary yes/no tornado question is too hard to answer, even for those of us who have seen numerous tornadoes over decades, and we just need to accept that. The spectrum can get very messy sometimes. It would be nice to have a mobile-radar interrogation of this, and I have been fortunate to have landed on many of the same storms as the DOW and/or OU+UMass radars the last several years (LaGrange WY, Sulphur OK, El Reno/Piedmont-2011, Dumas-2010, Bennington-13, and several more). Of course, those were no-brainer tornadoes, even the weak ones with the Dumas supercell. Having that data on this storm would have made things far less subjective; but barring that and/or sufficient damage, we’ve got what we’ve got, which is no more than what you see here — visual evidence. So we do the best we can with that, and my best call was, “not quite a tornado”. I am more than secure enough in my own skin not to let any sort of “notch in the gun” mentality infect reasoned judgment!
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CLIVEN BUNDY, RUBY RIDGE and the CONSTITUTION: Both the Bundys and the Feds did wrong things that escalated all this. Regardless, the standoff happened, the Feds lied and covered up, and this dismissal of charges “with prejudice” (defendants cannot be tried for those charges again) by Judge Navarro. [This judge is an Obama nominee and Hispanic woman with no intrinsic reason to side with the Bundys, if that matters to you, and was in fact sued to be dismissed by the Bundys.] This dismissal simply was the right thing for her to do. For once, a Federal judge simply compared what happened to the Constitution and acted accordingly, despite all the reason in the world she had to do otherwise. Kudos to her. The Constitution still matters, at least in this one instance. Whether you or I agree with the Bundys’ opinions on Federal land and cattle ranching is irrelevant. That’s not the issue here. The Bundy family (and the Weaver family in the early 1990s, much as I disagree with their stance on separatism!) was and is entitled to the same Constitutional rights of due process as everybody else. Whether you like it or not, our Constitutional rights are supposed to be completely blind to sociopolitical opinion. Nowhere does the Bill of Rights say “except” or “unless”. If you think it does, prove it , in the literal, black-and-white words of the text. In fact, the Constitution is designed specifically to protect unpopular opinion. If that bothers you, suck it up and deal with it.

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NFL CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES: Amazing. One team with a starting backup QB — either Minnesota or Philadelphia — is going to the Super Bowl. It could be a Jeff Hostetler situation. Of course, if Brady is on the other side, forget I brought it up. He is the king until deposed. In the meantime, congratulations, all Vikings fans. You have put up with a lot of futility and bad breaks over the years (though I still say Drew Pearson did not push off in ’75!). I’ll be rooting for MN all the way in PHL..and not just because I can’t stand PHL!

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HAWAIAN NUKE-ATTACK FALSE ALARM:

I just got back from vacation to Hawaii (the Big Island) a week before their infamous nuclear-attack false alarm, and inexcusably long time to retract. [By contrast, in 1971, this more vague but still ominous false alarm went out, and was retracted within five minutes!] A friend who lives in Hawaii, and who is involved with their emergency weather-warning system, stated on social media: “Real kudos to our local media (broadcast and print) for swiftly getting to the bottom of things yesterday and demanding answers. Mistakes like this are never fun but the public deserves to know. I would say, though, to be cautious about putting all of your anger and blame on one single person. A root-cause analysis of these things typically reveals several things went wrong. It’s possible the software was very hastily and poorly designed in the rush to get a procedure in place. Experience tells me this will not be Hawaii’s last false alarm. It certainly wasn’t our first. We’ve had other, similar things happen over the years, unfortunately. Hawaii is a vulnerable place, the most isolated island group in the world. You NEED to be fully prepared for an emergency if you live here. When we have a disaster, and (just like in Puerto Rico) help is not going to come right away after a disaster strikes. I wish people took the hurricane and tsunami threat as seriously as they apparently take ballistic missile threats. And finally: Shame on those of you who selfishly and stupidly acted foolhardy, reckless, and put lives at risk, panicking during the false alarm.”

I can’t state it better, and agree completely. I am a parent, and have taught my now-adult children to use reason and not emotion when decision-making under stress. [Whether they choose to do so and make rational decisions, or panic and endanger people, is up to them, but they know that self-control is a choice.] Rationality vs. emotion can be the difference in living vs. dying. And as someone who has worked in a clunky and inefficient bureaucracy for decades, I stand firmly behind the notion that procedures can fail just as readily as people, and should be examined and held accountable too. If a rule/procedure/software goes bad, change the damned rule/procedure/software!

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RACISM AGAINST OWN RACE: It is possible to be racist against your own kind. I see it often on social media, especially amongst self-loathing white liberals. Racism is not necessarily defined by the color of the perpetrator. From “dictionary dot com”, racism is: “A belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.” That doesn’t rule out one’s own group. If you believe whites are inferior, even if you are white, you are racist. If you believe blacks are inferior, regardless of your color, you are racist. Same goes if you’re any other race. That is the end of that.

Filed Under: Scattershooting Tagged With: Cliven Bundy, Constitution of the United States, Drew Pearson, EAS, false alarms, football, Hail Mary, Hawaii, Minnesota Vikings, Philadelphia Eagles, racism, Ruby Ridge, storm chasing, storm spotting, tornado, wall cloud, WEA, weather

Scattershooting 171126

November 26, 2017 by tornado Leave a Comment

Scattershooting while wondering why Jason Garrett could be retained as Cowboys coach after this season, when it’s so clear he has either zero, or negative, influence on performance…

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“BLACK FRIDAY” MATERIALISM: Here we go yet again with more pathetic stories of “Black Friday” violence and mayhem. I’ve already spoken my piece about this festering sore on the face of society. Instead I’ll add a thought on the root phenomenon: materialism. Materialism necessarily occurs at the expense of spirituality. This idolatry of the tangible possession is but a small symptom, among many, of a far greater neglect manifest on both individual and collective levels in society, and in every case, the common denominator is the supremacy of self.

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GREG SCHIANO and ONLINE LYNCH MOBS: This is a pointed essay on how the “virtue signaling” mob mentality of emotion-driven, reactionary and vindictive social-media hordes, with no more basis than unsubstantiated hearsay, undermined someone’s career and changed the future of U. Tennessee and college football in mere hours. I’m not a fan of Schiano, for other reasons involving his coaching itself. Only time will tell if they hire a good coach and go on to success, or not. Both points are really beside the point. The issue at hand is about mob justice, a phenomenon rooted in emotion and not reason. As the author noted: “This is no better (in some ways it is worse) than what they did during the Salem Witch Trials.” It really is the very worst of the thoughtless herd mentality, as Clarence Thomas once infamously put it well before today’s time, a “high-tech lynching”. We see it so much across social media, this ten-second attention-span, mindless mob justice. Unjust idiocy!

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ALGEBRA = “WHITE PRIVELEGE”:
As a texter might say: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! That premise is so preposterous and irrational as to be deranged. Algebra began in Babylonia and was refined geometrically in the dark-skinned Middle East (back when Middle Eastern Islamic culture as a whole was advanced, instead of backward). The word “algebra” is Arabic, for crying out loud. Did she read any math history at all? Does she pay any attention to anyone but herself? Many east-Asian and east-Indian people occupy top positions in mathematics and are math faculty nationwide. Many outstanding mathematicians and physical scientists exist of all skin colors. Yet the latest entry in my nutty-professor files claims it’s a symbol of “whiteness”. What a crock of unadulterated horseshit! Math is the language of science, so…by extension, this whack job is necessarily saying science is “white privelege”. Some of these academics have become so detached from history and the real world as to be delusional. Sadly, plenty of gullible students may buy into her racist rubbish.
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TRUMP’S JUDICIAL IMPACT: Readers of this BLOG know I have been (and remain) no fan of Trump’s imprudent and undignified behavior as President, his long history of rank dishonesty and personal immorality, and his general lack of bonafide conservatism. Regardless, when someone does something right, give him just due. Trump already has filled 13 vacancies in the Federal judiciary, the most for a first-year President since Reagan. This is a wonderful and fantastic gift that will keep giving for decades, because not only are so many of them conservative, but also relatively young. For once, the administration and Congress are correctly playing the long game, and right where it matters most. Aside from isolated, unrepresentative examples of seemingly low qualifications for the sake of leftist argumentative convenience, the bulk of the judicial appointees are qualified, rock-solid conservative jurists, and ready to go. Justice Gorsuch is a fine and most meaningful example. I find this great cause for hope for what is left of this nation, in the face of (and counterbalancing) a toxic blast wave of radical-left judges planted by Clinton and Obama, who overstep their bounds and legislate ghoulish social agendas from the bench. Trump obviously is being advised very well on the judicial front, and lo and behold, he appears to be listening, for once. I hope he continues to follow the Federalists and the Heritage Foundation very closely here. And for those on the left who don’t like this state of affairs, please blame fellow liberal Harry Reid for killing the judicial filibuster in 2013. It’s about the only thing I can think to thank him for.

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SELF-DRIVING CARS vs. ETHICS: Self-driving cars and trucks are coming, and in the net, likely will be for the better. When grandma, who can’t see well enough to drive anymore, wants to go get groceries and her hair done, she’ll be able. When the paralyzed veteran needs to get his medical work done, the robocar will take him. When I am old as dirt but still want to be on the dryline outside Shamrock by initiation time…set its target lat/lon and make sure to leave soon enough. [But can it handle quick turnarounds to unknown destinations on-the-fly, 75-mph RFD winds and rapid changes in road conditions?] However, as so often has been the case in history, technology outpaces ethics. Ethics matter! Who gets to live and die if a collision is inevitable? Who decides this: the driver who is in the situation, a car programmer in a Michigan laboratory, or a one-size-fits-all suit-and-tie government bureaucrat in DC? What about unique situations for which programming is not realistic (like tornadic inflow with other vehicles around)? Lots of thought and discussion need to occur to resolve this, before our tendency towards “latest is greatest” recency fallacy kicks in and we rush into this realm.

Filed Under: Scattershooting Tagged With: automation, automobiles, Black Friday, college football, Donald Trump, ethics, football, Greg Schiano, judiciary, materialism, mob mentality, privelege, racism, robo-ethics, robotics, selfishness, Tennessee

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